Outlaw Star rocks.
Mar. 15th, 2004 10:26 am![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
bloodsong1Didn't try to kill anything on Doc's PS2, mainly because I hate console controls. Gimme a mouse and a keyboard and I'm perfectly happy to go kill stuff. A console control, forget it. Too many buttons. I was ok with the old Nintendo controls, even if I could only play Tetris with any reasonable success. So, Wolf played OniMushya (sp?) for a while, I ranted to Doc, and we all watched a disc of Outlaw Star.
Wolf and I are still in holding for the move. The guy didn't call us all weekend to ask about signing papers or his earnest money. Which was fine with us, we didn't have it! This weekend, we'll see. I'm starting to not like that guy more and more. Something as big as setting up a rent-to-own on your house, yet he seems to only want to deal with Wolf. I think there's some latent hatred of women in him, probably because of his ex-wife. Funny how that goes.
As for the Keep, *eville chuckle*. I've said all I'm going to say. Anyone else wants to fuss about it, they can come find me. We'll see who has the guts. I know LG will be told. I've thought about telling him myself. Even played out a few possible conversations in my head during the night. No matter what, I'm going to look like the bad guy here. *shrug* It's not the first time. I've been blamed for a lot of shit that wasn't all my fault. This, eh. I don't think I did anything wrong. My life would be easier, that's for sure. Selfish? Yeah, probably. Impractical? Depends on how you look at it. Rude? Again, POV. Dismissed out of hand? Yes. No surprise there. Will I be asked to leave? Possibly. I can walk away if I'm "voted off the island", but I would insist on that vote. *eville grin* Frankly, I don't think anyone on the Keep wants to take such a step, for any player. Which is kind of sad. We can't always expect people to throw up their hands and leave when things get out of hand. Some will need a push, a shove or a good swift kick in the pants.
The problem here is no one's really "in charge". Kyther runs the site, so he has senority as the system admin. In terms of length of play, it's me, LG, Aphie, Jhereg, Pikey and Doc. Doc lurks, so I don't know who else counts him in the "Founders". Without a set leader, these disputes go on and on until some form of resolution comes about or one of the parties gives up and deals. As we know, this doesn't prevent further debate on a similar situation. All we ususally get are hurt feelings and a patch that may or may not be torn apart later. Lots of hard heads in this group, yes. Yes there are.
It's sad, because I know we're all better than this, yet it keeps happening. If we can't play nice, then what's the point? The group shouldn't suffer the hard headedness of a few players (yes, I count myself in this). I work with LG to the best of my abilities. I don't see rules as inflexible when it comes to something new, so that's where we butt heads. Gaming systems are constantly being tweaked, ours is no different. The current debacle is simply the continuation of the same problem, POV arguing against POV. This is not going to work unless both sides see the value in the other's argument and ACKNOWLEDGES said value. I see others caving to LG far more often than LG saying "Ok, we can try that." That, I feel, is the core issue. Others disagree, I know, and that's their perogative. It's not going to change my POV and I don't expect to be able to change anyone else's. I'd be happy with "You have a point. I'll consider it".
And here I thought I wasn't going to bitch about this. *chuckle* Yeah, this is bothering me, a lot. I'm waiting for the fallout and I hate waiting for bad stuff. I'd rather just get it over with, know where everyone stands, and then deal. I'm not sure I'm going to be allowed such a courtesy and that's frustrating in itself.
*sigh* I need a drink.
Wolf and I are still in holding for the move. The guy didn't call us all weekend to ask about signing papers or his earnest money. Which was fine with us, we didn't have it! This weekend, we'll see. I'm starting to not like that guy more and more. Something as big as setting up a rent-to-own on your house, yet he seems to only want to deal with Wolf. I think there's some latent hatred of women in him, probably because of his ex-wife. Funny how that goes.
As for the Keep, *eville chuckle*. I've said all I'm going to say. Anyone else wants to fuss about it, they can come find me. We'll see who has the guts. I know LG will be told. I've thought about telling him myself. Even played out a few possible conversations in my head during the night. No matter what, I'm going to look like the bad guy here. *shrug* It's not the first time. I've been blamed for a lot of shit that wasn't all my fault. This, eh. I don't think I did anything wrong. My life would be easier, that's for sure. Selfish? Yeah, probably. Impractical? Depends on how you look at it. Rude? Again, POV. Dismissed out of hand? Yes. No surprise there. Will I be asked to leave? Possibly. I can walk away if I'm "voted off the island", but I would insist on that vote. *eville grin* Frankly, I don't think anyone on the Keep wants to take such a step, for any player. Which is kind of sad. We can't always expect people to throw up their hands and leave when things get out of hand. Some will need a push, a shove or a good swift kick in the pants.
The problem here is no one's really "in charge". Kyther runs the site, so he has senority as the system admin. In terms of length of play, it's me, LG, Aphie, Jhereg, Pikey and Doc. Doc lurks, so I don't know who else counts him in the "Founders". Without a set leader, these disputes go on and on until some form of resolution comes about or one of the parties gives up and deals. As we know, this doesn't prevent further debate on a similar situation. All we ususally get are hurt feelings and a patch that may or may not be torn apart later. Lots of hard heads in this group, yes. Yes there are.
It's sad, because I know we're all better than this, yet it keeps happening. If we can't play nice, then what's the point? The group shouldn't suffer the hard headedness of a few players (yes, I count myself in this). I work with LG to the best of my abilities. I don't see rules as inflexible when it comes to something new, so that's where we butt heads. Gaming systems are constantly being tweaked, ours is no different. The current debacle is simply the continuation of the same problem, POV arguing against POV. This is not going to work unless both sides see the value in the other's argument and ACKNOWLEDGES said value. I see others caving to LG far more often than LG saying "Ok, we can try that." That, I feel, is the core issue. Others disagree, I know, and that's their perogative. It's not going to change my POV and I don't expect to be able to change anyone else's. I'd be happy with "You have a point. I'll consider it".
And here I thought I wasn't going to bitch about this. *chuckle* Yeah, this is bothering me, a lot. I'm waiting for the fallout and I hate waiting for bad stuff. I'd rather just get it over with, know where everyone stands, and then deal. I'm not sure I'm going to be allowed such a courtesy and that's frustrating in itself.
*sigh* I need a drink.
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Gotta disagree with you here...
Date: 2004-03-15 02:13 pm (UTC)That's not the real issue. You hit upon the real issue later: Lots of hard heads in this group, yes.
It's the group creativity dynamic at work. Every creative process involving a group of people goes through the same quirks. *chuckles.* In some ways, we're just like any other rock band out there. ;) There's those of us who are perfectionists, consumed in the details since the group has the general idea down pat... those who just enjoy playing, living in the moment and enjoying the experiences as they come... those who are trying to perfect their skills, learning and practicing... those who are the quiet and talented ones, willing to go with whatever the group wants and performing without a skip... those who are the leaders, pushing the group forward and facilitating the creative process... etc., etc., etc... While the group produces the art, it's the dynamic tension between these different types that gives the art its unique flavor.
But tension can't be too great all the time. While it'd be nice having someone who is obviously in charge, some of the greatest art groups are lead by different people at different times, depending on the scenario. The flexibility of this method of working is incredible... and subtly difficult to make work. It requires compromises by everyone involved... it requires attitudes to be flexible... it requires dynamical thinking, people to be on their toes, mentally.
I think you're worrying too much. Like I said, I'm going to talk to LG and others. I have a plan slowly forming in my mind here that all this talking has been good for. We're so comfortable with each other that the game has almost drifted from the original to the meta-game... the game between the members of the game itself. We just need a little push in the right direction... ALL of us do. All of us have to tweak our "POV", as you put it. We've had this work for years now, no reason to say that we can't make it work for many more years.
Don't worry, my dear. Things are working out much better than you give them credit for. Trust me on this. ;)
-Jellisky
*chuckle* So says da bear.
Date: 2004-03-15 04:49 pm (UTC)Then again, LG and I don't like each other anyway. *chuckles* Might as well not worry about that. We're not going to be friends. We may get to the "friendly enemy" stage. That would work.
I still think there should be some kind of policy in place in case someone becomes so hard headed and inflexible it would be better for the group to remove them. Or put them on some kind of leave until they learn to play nice. *grin* JIC, you know?
Correct em if I'm wrong but...
Date: 2004-03-15 03:14 pm (UTC)In the very first thread of the Freelance Keep ever, the one with Toby and you and the daggers, where I turned Ceassar into a ferret and myself into an automan. that was the first thread and you and I are the only two left from that first thread.
Toby, Ceasar, Andrew, and it MIGHT have been Doc we're also involved but that's it.
Once we got yelled at and just before we moved to our own section on the Sluggy boards others joined up.
As for the rest of it *huggles* I'm with you on almost all of it babi! I'm just not as much of a fighter as you are, I am one of the one;'s who cave entirely too easily and everytime I DON'T cave things blow up like this. I'm sorry you got dragged in, and if I could I'd just go back and cave and spill about all of my characters cause then none ofn this would be happening.
Whatever the outcome you know I'm here for ya regardless.
That sounds about right.
Date: 2004-03-15 04:56 pm (UTC)*shrug* Don't worry about it, Love. I don't want to lose the story, because it has such powerful ramifications for my two characters. That was my biggest concern, you were willing to trash months of work over one issue that, frankly, isn't as well-decided as _I_ would like. *collective gasps* *chuckles* Yes, I would like the empathic stuff nailed down. Can't have powergaming, now can we? *eville grin*
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Date: 2004-03-15 06:59 pm (UTC)"Tonight on 'Where Are They Now' we look at.... Shoggoth."
*laughs*
Date: 2004-03-15 08:36 pm (UTC)